Thanks Guillermo - the Argentina point is well taken, and I agree the situation isn’t symmetric across nations. A country building from scratch faces a very different cost/benefit calculation than one with an existing model, and I don’t want to suggest one strategy fits all. I’ve recently been through a similar exercise with Ireland.
…but I would strongly recommend anyone starting from scratch to plan on using authoring tooling/automation for drug model content. Coordinating multiple concepts for a product is not just laborious but error prone without it due to the complexity.
But I think the challenge with international CDs as currently expressed is that they import all the jurisdictional variation and modelling choices required at that level - strength rounding, unit of measure choices, unit of presentation choices, dose form granularity, salt/base choices - and all of these have to align to get a layer that interoperates. Yet aligning these internationally is very difficult.
Therefore to have International Edition content at that level, there are essentially three options, and each has problems:
- Get complete alignment - every nation aligns on all of these decisions. A lofty goal, but very hard given the genuine variation, as your own analysis across Norway/Canada/Ireland/Argentina found. This variation isn’t necessarily arbitrary, stylistic, or parochial but based in national differences in drug marketing, regulation, prescribing rules, subsidy systems…etc. - factors that nations can’t choose to ignore to align internationally if in conflict.
- Include variations to cover everyone - produces a messy, noisy layer with multiple variations of similar products.
- Pick winners and losers - international content matches some nations’ circumstances, others miss out and have to avoid, remove, or work around the international content which doesn’t match their national circumstances.
To scale at CD, realistically SNOMED International will need a pipeline of content from nations building drug content from regulatory sources. To pull that content into the International Edition at the CD level the issues above first need to be resolved to create/import the right content. This is also needed to provide clarity so extension builders know what the “right” (or acceptable, if variations are allowed) modelling is. This would require us to bottom out all that detail. That’s quite a mission.
This is most tractable for solid oral dose forms (as you found, that’s where most of the ~600 equivalencies were) but diverges significantly beyond that, which is consistent with what we’ve seen too. It could be done incrementally from there, but it is a large and long mission.
I also think the value of international CDs as a foundation for building a national extension is not what it seems. The benefit depends heavily on the shape of the extension. A thin model with just abstract and branded CDs might get a real lift from cloning international CDs that match what’s needed - one less concept to author per product, and the international content provides a starting point to clone, provided it matches the meaning and granularity required. I can see the appeal there.
But a richer extension model - MP, MPF, CD, branded variants, packaged products - (or even just where the CD/MPF/MP don’t exist for simple models) has to model out all the content anyway from the proximal primitive medicinal product concept. The international CD saves you creating one concept among many. Realistically you need tooling and automation to coordinate the multiple concepts per product reliably, and once that machinery exists, creating one more CD as part of it is essentially free. The value of a pre-existing international CD becomes very small in that case.
There’s also a more subtle risk - when international CDs exist that almost match what a national extension needs to say, there’s pressure to use them anyway - to squint a bit and accept a representation that isn’t quite right rather than create a parallel concept. This is understandable when the alternative is duplicate work, but it embeds modelling compromises into national content that then become hard to unwind.
But back to what I think is the core unanswered question: what is the CD layer in the international edition for, and who is it for?
If it’s for all nations, the granularity and modelling needs to abstract up significantly to subsume the national variation I’ve seen, and the editorial harmonisation effort is very large - as your analysis demonstrates. The key question I haven’t seen answered is what payoff that harmonisation buys us in addition to MP and MPF integration which is fairly cheap and easy. I have a good understanding of the (very high) extra cost of CD-level alignment and integration, but I don’t understand the value that is buying us.
If by contrast the international CD concepts are intended to support a subset of nations, the harmonisation effort is much easier. This makes sense to narrow to a more tractable problem by choosing nations more closely aligned in marketing, regulation, prescribing, and subsidy frameworks which drive most of the differences - perhaps European nations and those with similar national circumstances? But then why is that content in the International Edition rather than optional community content collaboration among those nations?
The RxNorm-in-OWL discussion between Robert and yourself in the last few posts is actually a useful test case for this. If a substantial RxNorm-derived CD contribution were accepted, what’s the alignment story for nations whose products and modelling don’t match RxNorm’s? What happens when content from EMA-aligned nations doesn’t match RxNorm’s modelling? Which wins? Or do you try to get RxNorm or the EMA-aligned to change to match each other? That seems like a big mission.
There’s also an incumbency risk with importing content from any one source. Up until now it seems that the modelling patterns and granularity of the content are driven by where it is donated from at any given time. Without bottoming out the editorial rules and making calls on the areas of variation, we risk deciding modelling based on whatever happens to be cast into the content we import at the time.
Perhaps importing multiple sources and picking off content areas where they agree is a way forward - but then you’re left with the small overlap you found analysing the extensions in your experiment.
For what it’s worth, I think there’s a strong case that the SNOMED CT International Edition can deliver enormous value at MP and MPF - therapeutic groupers, chemical structure, disposition-based inferences, dose form classification - without the harmonisation burden CDs impose. That’s where the analytically useful content lives, and where alignment is easy, cheap, and stable. I think it would make sense to focus efforts there first.
To me the CD question is then about which additional use cases genuinely require a globally shared CD layer that MP/MPF can’t serve, and whether those use cases justify the cost of achieving it. I’m not sure that either of these is articulated?